"On the Record" by newsreporter George Knapp of KLAS- TV, Las Vegas, Nevada, 12/09/89
Lazar: The first thing was hands-on experience with the anti-matter reactor.
Knapp: Explain what that is and how it works and what it does.
Lazar: It's a plate about 18-inches in diameter with a sphere on top.
Knapp: We have a tape of a model that a friend of yours made. You can narrate along. There it is ...
Lazar: Inside that tower is a chip of Element-115 they just put in there. That's a super-heavy element. The lid goes on top. And as far as any other of the workings of it, I really don't know, you know, [such as] what's inside the bottom of it '115' sets up a gravitational field around the top. That little waveguide you saw being put on the top, it essentially siphons off the gravity wave. And that's later amplified in the lower portion of the craft. But just in general, the whole technology is virtually unknown.
Knapp: Now we saw the model. We saw the pictures of it there. It looks really, really simple. Almost too simple to actually do anything.
Lazar: Right.
Knapp: Working parts?
Lazar: None detectable. Essentially what the job was was to back-engineer everything where you have a finished product. And then step backwards and find-out how it was made or how it could be made with Earthly materials. There hasn't been very much progress.
Knapp: How long do you think they've had this technology up there?
Lazar: It seems like quite a while, but I really don't know.
Knapp: What could you do with an anti-matter generator? What does it do?
Lazar: It converts anti-matter It doesn't "convert" anti-matter. There is an annihilation reaction. It's an extremely powerful reaction a 100 conversion of matter to energy unlike a fission or fusion reaction which is somewhere around 8/10 of 1-percent conversion of matter to energy.
Knapp: How does it work? What starts the reaction going?
Lazar: Really, once the '115' is put in, the reaction is initiated.
Knapp: Automatic?
Lazar: Right.
Knapp: I don't understand. I mean, there's no button to push or anything?
Lazar: No, there's no button to push or anything. Apparently the '115' under bombardment with protons lets out an anti-matter particle [note: the '115' first transmutes to '116', which then spontaneously radioactively decays, releasing an anti-proton in the process]. The anti-matter particle will react with any matter whatsoever, which I imagine there is some target system inside the reactor. This in turn releases heat. And somewhere within that system there is a 100%-efficient thermionic generator, essentially a heat-to-electrical generator.
Knapp: How is this anti-matter reactor connected to gravity generation that you were talking about earlier?
Lazar: Well, that reaction serves 2 purposes. It provides a tremendous amount of electrical power, which is almost a by-product. The gravitational wave gets formed at the sphere. That's through some action of the '115', and the exact action I don't think anyone really knows. The waveguide siphons off that gravity wave. That's channeled above the top of the disk to the lower part where there are 3 gravity "amplifiers" which amplify and direct that gravity wave.
Knapp: In essence, creating their own gravitational field.
Lazar: Their own gravitational field.
Knapp: You're fairly convinced that science on Earth doesn't have this technology right now? We have it now at S4, I guess, but we didn't create it?
Lazar: Right.
Knapp: Why not? Why couldn't we?
Lazar: The technology's not even We don't even know today what ‘gravity' really is!
Knapp: Well, what is it? What have you learned about what gravity is?
Lazar: Gravity is a wave. There are many different theories, wave included. It's been theorized that gravity is also particles [gravitons] which is also incorrect. But gravity is a wave. The basic wave, they can actually tap off of an element. Why that is I'm not exactly sure.
Knapp: So you can produce your own gravity. What does that mean? What does that allow you to do?
Lazar: It allows you to do virtually anything. Gravity distorts time and space. By doing that, now you're into a different mode of travel where instead of traveling in a linear [straight-line] method going from Point ‘A' to Point ‘B’ -- now you can distort time and space to where you essentially bring the mountain to Mohammed. You almost bring your destination to you without moving [SS: as the spice Navigators did in the book/movie “Dune”?]. And since you're distorting time, all this takes place in-between moments of time. It's such a far-fetched concept!
Knapp: Of course what the UFO skeptics say is, ‘yeah, there's life out there elsewhere in the Universe. But it can never come here -- it's just too darn far'. With the kind of technology you're talking about, it makes such considerations irrelevant about distance and time and things like that.
Lazar: Exactly! Because when you are distorting time, there's no longer a normal reference of time. And that's what producing your own gravity does.
Knapp: you can go forward or backward in time? Is that what you're saying?
Lazar: No, not essentially. A least in regard to what we're talking about here -- how to traverse large distances going faster than the speed-of-light. It would be easier with a model. On the bottom side of the disk are the 3 gravity generators. When they want to travel to a distant point, the disk turns on its side. The 3 gravity generators produce a ‘gravitational beam'. What they do is converge all 3 generators onto a point and use that as a ‘focal point'. Then they bring them up to power and PULL that point towards the disk. The disk itself will attach onto that ‘point' and snap back as they release space back to that point! Now all this happens in the distortion of time so time is not incrementing. So the “speed” is essentially infinite.
Knapp: We'll get into the disks in a moment. But the first time you saw the anti-matter reactor in operation or a demonstration you had a couple of demonstrations tell me about that.
Lazar: The first time I saw it in operation, we a friend I worked with, Barry -- just put the fuel in the reactor, put the lid on as was shown there. Immediately, a gravitational field developed and he said, "Feel it!" And it felt like when you bring 2 like poles of a magnet together; you can do that with your hand. And it was FASCINATING to do that. Actually impossible, except on something with great mass! And obviously this is just a And it was a REPULSION field. In fact, we kind of fooled around with it for a little while. We threw golf balls off it. It was just a really unique thing.
Knapp: And you had other demonstrations to show you that this is pretty wild stuff, right?
Lazar: Yeah, they did. They were able to channel the field off in a demonstration that they created an INTENSE gravitational area. And you began to see a small little black disk form. That was the bending of the light.
Knapp: Just like a black hole floating around?
Lazar: Yeah Well, a black hole is a bad analogy. But yeah, essentially. [StealthSkater note: In alter interviews, Lazar said that the UFO projected a "distortion" in front. And it would be drawn to that distortion. So maybe the "black hole" analogy wasn't too off for a layperson.]
KVEG Radio Interview, 12/28/1989
Caller: With the gravity generators running, is there thermal radiation?
Lazar: No, not at all. I was never down on the bottom level (there were 3 levels, Lazar said under no circumstances was he ever permitted on the topmost level) while the gravity generators were running. But the reactor itself There's no thermal radiation whatsoever. That was one of the really shocking things because that violates the First Law of Thermodynamics.
Lazar: In fact, I'm in the process of fabricating the gravity amplifier. But then I'm at a tremendous shortage for power. So yeah, I have even tried to do that stuff on-my-own.
Caller: Is there any electronics as we know it -- chips or transistors?
Lazar: No, nothing like that. Because of the tremendous power involved too, there was no direct connection between the gravity amplifiers and the reactor itself.
Caller: Are the waveguides similar to what we use with microwaves?
Lazar: Very similar.
Caller: In regard to the long-range method of travel, isn't a propulsion unit the wrong idea? I feel this device is creating a situation where it is diminishing or removing the localized gravitational field. And the long-distance body that they're heading toward is actually PULLING the vehicle rather than it being pushed. Am I correct in this?
Lazar: The vehicle is not being pushed. But being pulled implies it's being pulled by something externally. It's pulling something else to it. It is creating the gravitational field.
Caller: Is there any relation to the monopoles, which scientists have been looking for?
Lazar: Well, they've been looking for the monopole magnet. But then this [the UFO force] is a gravitational force.
Caller: What is the top speed of the craft?
Lazar: It's tough to say a top speed because to say "speed", you have to compare distance and time. And when you're screwing around with time and distorting it, you can no longer judge a velocity. They're not traveling in a linear mode where they just fly and cover a certain distance in a certain time. That's the real definition of speed. They're bending and distorting space and then essentially snapping it back with the craft. The distances they can travel are phenomenal in little or no time. So "speed" has little bearing.
Caller: You've mentioned anti-gravity generator and anti-matter generator. Are they different?
Lazar: It's not a gravity generator. It's a gravity amplifier. I get tongue-twisted all too often. The anti- matter reactor provides the power for the craft and the basic low-amplitude gravitational wave, which is too low of an amplitude to do anything. It's piped into the gravity amplifiers which are found at the bottom of the craft. There, it's amplified into an extremely powerful wave. And that's what the craft is flown on. But there is an anti-matter reactor. That's what provides the power.
Caller: I understand there's an antenna section in this device. What is the resonant frequency that operates at?
Lazar: The resonant frequency of the gravity wave I do know, but I don't know it off-hand. I just can't remember it.
Mark: Can you give me a ballpark like 2,000 kilohertz?
Lazar: I really don't remember. It's a really odd frequency.
Mark: Is it measured in kilohertz or gigahertz or megahertz?
Lazar: I really don't remember.
Burt: You were talking about the low- and high-speed modes and the control factors in there. Can you describe those modes and what the ship looks like each time it is going through those modes?
Lazar: The low-speed mode -- and I REALLY wish I could remember what they call these, but I can't as I can't remember the frequency of the wave
The low-speed mode: The craft is very vulnerable. It bobs around. And it's sitting on a weak gravitational field -- sitting on 3 gravity waves. And it just bounces around. It can focus the waves behind it and keep falling forward and hobble around at low speed.
The second mode: They increase the amplitude of the field, and the craft begins to lift, and it performs a ROLL maneuver. It begins to turn, roll, begins to turn over. As it begins to leave the Earth's gravitational field, they point the bottom of the craft at the destination. This is the second mode of travel where they converge the 3 gravity amplifiers FOCUS them on a point that they want to go to. Then they bring them up to full power, and this is where the tremendous time-space distortion takes place. And that whips them right to that point.
Burt: Did you actually bench-test a unit away from the craft itself?
Lazar: The reactor yeah.
Burt: About how large is this, and could you describe it?
Lazar: The device itself is probably a plate about 18 inches square. I said "diameter" before, but it is square. There's a half-sphere on top where the gravity wave is tapped off of. But that's about the size of it.
Jim: On TV, you spoke of observing a demonstration of this anti-matter gravity wave controller device. And you made a mock-up copy?
Lazar: A friend made one, yeah.
Jim: I heard you speak of bouncing golf balls of this anti-gravity field?
Lazar: Yeah.
Jim: And also about the candle, the wax, and the flame stood still?
Lazar: Right.
Jim: And then the hole that you saw appear
Lazar: It wasn't a "hole" -- it was a little disk.
Jim: Under what conditions did you see this demonstrated? Elaborate on this. And how large was the force field?
Lazar: The force field where the candle was?
Jim: The force field created by the anti-matter device.
Lazar: It was about a 20-inch radius from the surface of the sphere.
Jim: Where was this area? Just above the device?
Lazar: yeah, surrounding the sphere.
Jim: Did the sphere surround the device?
Lazar: No. The sphere sits in the center of the device. It's a half-sphere sitting on a plate, and a field surrounds the half-sphere.
Jim: And you just place a candle in there?
Lazar: No, no, no That was a separate demonstration. I'm just telling you where the field EXTENDS from!
Jim: Oh. That's what I'm curious about.
Lazar: No, they tap the field off using a waveguide --off of the sphere. And this is a completely different setup where they had a mockup small gravity amplifier. There were 3 focused into a point. And that area of focus was probably 9-or-10 inches in diameter.
Jim: They displaced this area or moved this area?
Lazar: No, it wasn't displaced. It's just where the field was generated.
Jim: And in there, you put the candle?
Lazar: Right.
“Alien Contact" by Timothy Good, 1991 & 1993.
the craft does not create an ‘antigravity' field as some have surmised. “It's a gravitational field that's out-of-phase with the current one,” Lazar explained in a 1989 radio interview. “It's the same gravitational wave. The phases vary from 180 degrees to zero in a longitudinal propagation."
"Assuming they're in space, they will focus the 3 gravity generators on the 'point' they want to go to. Now to give an analogy: if you take a think rubber sheet and lay it on a table and put thumbtacks in each corner, then take a big stone and set it on one end of the rubber sheet and say that's your spacecraft. You then pick out a point that you want to go to which could be anywhere on the rubber sheet “pinch” that point with your fingers and pull it all the way up to the craft. That's how it focuses and pulls that point to it. When you then shut off the gravity generators, the stone (spacecraft) follows that stretched rubber back to its point.
"There's no linear travel through space. It actually bends space and time and follows space as it retracts.
"In the first mode of travel around the surface of a planet -- they essentially balance on the gravitational field that the generators put out, and they ride a “wave” like a cork does in the ocean. In that mode, they are very unstable and are affected by the weather. In the other mode of travel where they can travel vast distances, they can't really do that in a strong gravitational filed like Earth's. Because to do that, first-of-all they need to tilt on their side, usually out in space. Then they can focus on the 'point' they need to with the gravity generators and move on. If you picture space as a "fabric" and the speed-of-light is your limit, it will take you so long even at the speed-of-light! to get from point 'A' to point 'B'. You can't exceed it – not in this Universe anyway. Should there be other parallel universes, maybe in those the laws of physics are different. But anyone that's here in this Universe has to abide by our well-known rules.
"The fact is that gravity distorts time and space. Imagine that you're in a spacecraft that can exert a tremendous gravitational field by itself. You could sit in any particular place, turn on the gravity generator, and actually warp space and time and “fold” it. By shutting that off, you'd click-back and you'd be at a tremendous distance from where you were. But time would NOT have even moved, because you essentially shut it off. It's so farfetched. It's difficult for people to grasp. And as stubborn as the mainstream scientific community is, they'll never buy it that this is in fact what happens."
According to Lazar, the propulsion system he worked on at S-4 gives rise to certain peculiar effects, including INVISIBILITY of the craft. “You can be looking straight up at it. And if the gravity generators are in the proper configuration, you'd just see the sky above it. You won't see the craft there. That's how there can be a group of people and only some people can be right under it and see it. It just depends on how the field is bent. It's also the reason why the crafts "appear” as if they're making 90- degree turns at some incredible speed. It's just the time and space distortion that you're seeing. You're not seeing the actual event happening.
"If the crafts look like they're flying at 7,000 mph and they make a right-angle turn, it's not necessarily what they're doing. They can APPEAR that way because of the gravitational distortion. I guess a good analogy is that you're always looking at a mirage – it's only when the craft is shut-off and sitting on the ground that you can get a clear picture of what it actually looks like. Otherwise you're just looking at a tremendously distorted thing. And it will appear like it is changing shape, stopping-or- going, and it could be flying almost like an airplane. But it would never look that way to you."
"How close do you think you have to get before time distortion takes place?” I asked. Lazar replied, “It's tough to say because it depends on the configuration of the craft. If the craft is hovering in the air, and the gravity amplifiers are focused down to the ground and it's standing on its gravity wave, you would have to get into that focused area. If you're directly underneath the craft at any time, there's a tremendous time distortion, and that's in proportion to the proximity of the craft."
Questions from miscellaneous interviews
Question: So how is the electrical energy related to the amplification of the gravitational ‘A’wave energy?
Lazar: Tthe electrical energy is transmitted essentially without wires, and I related it to almost a Tesla setup. It seemed like each sub-component on the craft was attuned to the frequency that the reactor was operating at. So essentially the amplifiers themselves received the electrical energy like a Tesla coil transmitting power to a fluorescent tube. That's how the amplifiers receive the power and through the waveguide to receive the basic wave. It's very, very similar to a microwave amplifier ...
Question: Was the local means of propulsion the same as this across-space distances? What was the local means of propulsion?
Lazar: the local means of propulsion is essentially them balancing on an out-of-phase gravity wave. And it's not as stable as you would think. When the craft took off, it wobbled to some degree. I mean a modern-day Hawker Harrier or something along those lines of vertical takeoff craft is much more stable than in the ‘Omicron' configuration, which is that mode of travel. The 'Delta' configuration is where they use the 3 amplifiers. These are the only 2 methods I know about for moving the craft.
Question: When you listen to some abduction reports whether-or-not people believe them there seems to be a common thread of people being hit by blue beams of light
Lazar: Any of the 3 gravity amplifiers could do that -- lift something off the ground. Or for that matter compact it into the ground. That's not a problem because the craft can operate on one amplifier -- in ‘Omicron' mode -- hovering. That would leave the other 2 amplifiers free to do anything. So I imagine they could pick up cows or whatever else they wanted to. But on the craft I worked-on, there was absolutely NO provision for anything to come-in through the bottom of craft, or anything along those lines
Question: So what was the course of energy? How did it go from one area to another area?
Lazar: The best guess is it essentially operated like a Tesla coil. A transmitter and essentially a receiver tuned to the transmitting frequency and receives electrical power. There again, that's not real advanced technology. Tesla did that in the 1930s, I think.
Question: You mentioned the photon earlier. Do you think Physics is taking a wrong turn by looking for exchange particles when you're talking about the strong force of gravity again? I'm not clear on why you're skeptical about the graviton. Every other force seems to have [quantum] exchange particles connected with it.
Lazar: No, not necessarily. I mean, they MAKE it have one. But as time goes on, that really hasn't held true. First of all, they don't even believe there's a ‘graviton' anymore. As far as exchange particles, still though, some of them like the ‘zeta' particle ... maybe that's an actual thing. But when they're looking at transfers of energy, I think these are ‘scapegoats' for the most part. A lot of experiments that I was participating in at Los Alamos essentially were along these same lines. But other exchange particles like the intermediate vector bozon, I don't believe that thing exists. I really don't. I think they're grabbing at straws and just coming up with excuses.
Question: What about the small gravity -- the 'Gravity A'? How can you detect that one? What is the frequency of that?
Lazar: Well the frequency that the actual [disk] reactor [not the gravity wave it produces] operates at is like 7.46 hertz. It's a very low frequency.
Question: That's the frequency of Earth's gravity or all gravity universally?
Lazar: That's the frequency the [disk's] reactor operates at.
Question: I can understand a reactor functioning. Theoretically I can understand a reactor functioning at, say, 7.46 Hz. There's a waveguide involved. I don't buy 7.46 ...
Lazar: No, that's the basic The frequency of the gravity wave that's produced, it has to be a higher frequency because you're in a microwave range to follow a conduit like that.
Question: I understand from Lear's lecture that it had a tendency to conduct on the outside also of the reactor.
Lazar: Right. Well, that's all This was the electric field we were talking about. The basic frequency, I think, was the way the reactor is operating. The pulses that we detected out of it were probably instead of a straight DC power supply it was more along the lines of a pulse,as if we were getting a burst of particles coming out. An anti-matter emission then a reaction a pulse of energy and that cycle would repeat. That's about 7-and-a-half Hertz, something along those lines.
Question: Bob, is the microwave frequency going to the waveguide electromagnetic or is it gravitational?
Lazar: They are one and the same. Unfortunately, mainstream physics hasn't gotten to that part yet. But gravity essentially is part of the electromagnetic spectrum.
Question: Then what frequency is it?
Lazar: That's something I'm reserving for myself.
Question: Something in the microwave range?
Lazar: something about the microwave range. Well, you can sort of figure it out by the dimensions of the waveguide itself. And that's about it ...
Question: Positive energy versus regular photon?
Lazar: No, it's not photon.
Question: Electromagnetic energy?
Lazar: Right. I'm not trying to be secret, but this is part of the equipment that I'm working on. And I want to get it operating before ...