{"type":"documents","slug":"1989-lazar-radio-interview-excerpts","title":"Happening Show, November 1989, Bob Lazar","url":"https://disclosdex.com/documents/1989-lazar-radio-interview-excerpts","description":"Excerpts from Happening live talk-show, KVEG 840-AM Radio, 10:00 pm 11/21/89","date":"1989-11-21T00:00:00.000Z","tags":["Transcript"],"updated":"2025-06-26T00:00:00.000Z","disclosureRating":3,"connectionCount":0,"content":{"markdown":"Excerpt notes from the Billy Goodman's \"Happening” live talk-show, KVEG 840-AM Radio, 10:00 pm\n11/21/89 featuring Bob Lazar and his friend, Las Vegas realtor Gene Huff who answered questions\nfor 3 hours.\n\n---\n\nLazar said he is tired.\n\n1. Lazar's Purpose in Going On-Air: Although Lazar's main stated purpose in appearing on the\n   broadcast is to protect himself, caller Bill Cooper says one of Lazar's motives is anger (previously\n   expressed privately to Cooper) that billions of dollars are needlessly wasted in the normal U.S. sectors\n   by those without access to this alien technology. Lazar agrees.\n\nLazar says another reason for appearing is to correct erroneous information he had heard on previous\nbroadcasts.\n\nBilly Goodman says Lazar's, Bill Cooper's, and John Lear's lives are “on-the-line”. And that\nLazar's best protection is the media, which is keeping him alive.\n\nLazar hopes \"other people out there” working at S4 will loosen up, come forward, and join with him\nto present their information as one, as a group. He doesn't want to be “the lone ranger”.\n\nCongressional amnesty -- suggested by a caller -- would be nice says Lazar, but merely offers\nfreedom from prosecution. By coming forward, he concedes, the other S4 workers have everything-to-\nlose and nothing-to-gain.\n\nBut Huff says there has to be a moral guideline where national security has to hang in the balance,\nand the reporting of the existence of alien spaceships is where you draw-the-line.\n\nCaller Bill Cooper says there is “a higher value” that those at S4 should consider as a reason for\ncoming forward to join Lazar.\n\nBut Lazar makes a point of distinguishing his whole view of the UFO situation from that of John\nLear or Bill Cooper.\n\n2. Verification of Lazar's Background Lazar said he worked at S-4 a \"restrained military\n   environment\" in Nevada -- from 12/88 to 04/89\n\nIn response to callers who want independently to check up on Lazar, he says his “colorful”\nbackground has already been checked by George Knapp of KLAS-TV who had traveled to Los Alamos\nLaboratories and had spoken to former Lazar colleagues. They confirmed he really had worked there in\nspite of Los Alamos itself denying the fact of Lazar's employment with them. (Knapp's UFO broadcast\ndisplayed a page from a 1982 Los Alamos Labs internal phone book listing ‘Robert Lazar'. It turns out\nthat Los Alamos Labs was being overly “technical” with Knapp. It's true that Lazar was not an\nemployee of the Federal government. Rather he worked for Kirk-Mayer, one of the on-site contractors\nat the lab. Typical government attempt to evade the truth.)\n\nCaller Bill Cooper -- who says he has talked to Lazar for over-a-year -- says that by talking to\npersons at Lawrence Livermore Laboratory and at another facility, he and associates have confirmed\nLazar's previous work in physics at the places specified. Lazar replied he was not aware of this\nchecking done by Cooper.\n\nResponding to an “investigator” caller wanting Lazar to give him private info in order to check him\nout, Lazar says he himself once took a correspondence course to be a private “investigator”. He further\nsaid he has 25 people wanting independently to check him out. But he will not allow that. Although\nLazar admits he was paid by check (by the Office of Naval Intelligence), he refuses to discuss anything\nabout the check stubs.\n\n3. Lazar's Clearance Level: He says neither REECO (Reynolds Electrical and Engineering Co., Inc.)\n   nor EG&G each a well-known U.S. Dept. of Energy Test Site contractor -- has their representatives\n   at S4 (unless they are in-turn subcontracted out to a Federal agency like he was). The typical REECO or\n   EG&G worker can get a maximum clearance of 'Q'. Beyond 'Q', it is highly compartmentalized on a\n   \"need-to-know basis\" with the highest level being around 34 levels above 'Q'. His own level was 28\n   levels above basic 'Q'. The closest to S4 that a 'Q'-clearance worker gets is Area-51.\n\n4. Threats Made to Lazar / Gunfire : When Goodman refers to Lazar's telling him before the\n   broadcast that he had been shot at, Lazar says he doesn't want to talk about it.\n\nLazar says he was called to go back to work, but officially refused because he didn't like the idea of\nreturning to that isolated place in the desert where they could do what they wanted to him. However, he\nsays his clearances had not been revoked at-that-time.\n\nLazar says the executive powers at S-4 have run amok and there are no checks and balances.\nCongress, he says, has no knowledge of all this. Lazar says there are no lengths to which the\nmilitary will not go to conceal this information.\n\n5. Mind Control Suspicions: He contacted hypnotherapist Layne Keck of Serenus Clinical Hypnosis\n   in Las Vegas because there were a couple of days where he remembered only going out in a plane and\n   coming back, but nothing in between. He suspected mind-control had been performed on him.\n\nLazar purposely selected Serenus because it had nothing to do with UFOs. A Las Vegas \"Yellow\nPages\" ad says: Serenus Clinical Hypnosis, Helen Baucum, 30 years Experience, “Pin-Point” Method,\nChildren Our Specialty Weight Control, Stuttering, Bed Wetting, Nervous Tensions, Smoking,\nDrinking, Memory Retention 384-4420 1833 W. Charleston (across from S. Nevada Memorial\nHospital)\n\nUnder hypnosis, Lazar recalled intense drilling, threatening actions taken against him, and his\ndrinking of “pine” which the hypnotherapist said was similar to the “Orion Method\" of\nregimented hypnosis used by the military.\n\nPer Huff -- after first telling Lazar that his phone was tapped the military later threatened him\nbecause having monitored his phone, they knew that he was planning to release information about the\nalien craft. Huff says the military were amazed that the drugs and hypnosis had not worked [SS:\nprobably because the “colorful” Lazar was already taking certain “recreational drugs\" that\ncounteracted the military's drugs to some degree].\n\nAlthough he is afraid, Lazar hopes they won't come after him now since he has already revealed\nwhat he knows to the entire media.\n\n6. Location of the Saucers: He says the 9 saucers are not at the super-secret Area-51 (Groom lake) of\n   the U.S. Government's Nevada Test Site but at S4 -- 10-miles south of Area-51. The disks are only at\n   this one place. However, to go to work, Lazar flew (by plane) to Groom Lake, waited a short time at a\n   café, and then got on a bus [with blacked-out windows].\n\nLazar says he knows someone who drills tunnels at the Test Site, but no mention is made that this\nindividual also works at S4. [SS: could it be Phil Schneider, who claimed he was part of the human-\nvs-alien \"Dulce, NM” war?]\n\n7. “Bad” Aliens Killed S-4 Workers: Lazar said he was told the aliens were not necessarily\n   benevolent.\n\nSome humans were killed in a conflict after a U.S. military intelligence power play, after which\npoint a previously ongoing technology/information exchange ended.\n\nHuff says Lazar earlier told him and Lazar agrees he had said this that he was told this\nexchange-of-information occurred between the aliens and human scientists & security personnel. But\nalthough the aliens had allowed themselves to be under constant guard, they insisted that there be no\nloaded weapons during a demonstration of a generated \"field\" (for fear the field would cause the\ngunpowder to detonate spontaneously). The security people ignored that demand, and they all died from\nmysterious head wounds. The aliens even killed the scientists they were teaching. [SS: folklore says\nthis occurred around 1979 in underground levels at the Dulce, NM complex where 66 Secret\nService/FBI/CIA, Army “Black Berets” and Air Force \"Blue Berets\" agents comprising a \"Delta-\nForce\" were killed in an attempt to free scientists taken hostage by the aliens.]\n\nLazar said during an attempt to cut open a small reactor taken from one of the alien disks in a\nunderground blast site, it exploded and killed the 3 scientists conducting the operation. Lazar said he\nwas told that he was being hired to replace one of those guys. His main role was to further define the\nElement-115 which was the primary “fuel” in the reactor and also whose strong nuclear force extended\nbeyond the perimeter of the nucleus (unlike any other element in the Periodic Table) and used to\ncounter gravity.\n\nResponding to a caller, Lazar says talking about aliens is NOT a touchy subject for him. Aliens\nexist, he says.\n\n8. Time of Saucer Test Flight: The tests of the saucers at S4 are Wednesday nights. Lazar says he was\n   fired because he showed people where and when these tests were performed.\n\n9. Who Pilots the Test Flights? Lazar says the experiment UFO flights at S4 are flown either by\n   remote-control or by human pilots -- not by the aliens.\n\n10. Origin of the Saucers at S4: Lazar said he and other scientists read briefings which alleged that the\n    alien vehicles he saw close-up in the camouflaged hangers came from “another world: the 4th planet out\n    from the Zeta Reticulum binary star system” [SS: the same as on Betty Hill's map?]\n\n11. Description of the Saucers: He says he touched one of the 9 UFOs and even stood in its doorway.\n\nHe says the saucers mostly appeared “like new. One of them looked the Billy Meier (Switzerland)\nsaucer. (On George Knapp's recent series UFOs: The Best Evidence (KLAS-TV, Las Vegas), Lazar\nsays one of the saucers “looked like it was hit with some sort of a projectile. It had a large hole in-the-\nbottom and a large hole in-the-top the metal bent out like some sort of large caliber 4-or-5-inch\nshell had gone through it.”)\n\nThe inside of one craft appears made of “wax” and then cooled-off like a cast or mold of one thing\nwith no rough edges.\n\nInside were small chairs 1 or 1-1/2 feet as though made for little kids. [SS: Compare with the\nstory told by the Roswell funeral home worker who said the military had purchased all of their\nbaby caskets in stock for the secret purpose of holding the Roswell alien crash victims.]\n\n12. Nine S4 Saucers Extraterrestrial – Not Earthly: The 9 disks he saw up-close -- including the one he\n    worked on -- were not earthly and were definitely extraterrestrial.\n\nLazar can't say whether-or-not the other disks he saw at a distance during testing (seen on video\npresented in George Knapp's broadcasts) are man-made or extraterrestrial.\n\n13. Physics of the Saucers at S-4: Lazar says the vehicle attaches itself to a distorted portion of space-\n    time and returns with the distortion. \"It's a new physics.\" The vehicles brought a space-time warp with\n    them. Lazar says it appears the theory & technology is about 200-300 years beyond present-day Earth\n    science.\n\nLazar says the propulsion technology should properly remain classified since everything at S4/Area-\n51 is looked-at from a weapons' point-of-view. A lot is directly applicable to weapons systems, he says,\nand he has no intention of releasing it.\n\nHis work was in “Project Galileo” an attempt to back-engineer the alien disks using Earth\nmaterials. Also taking place at S4 was “Project Sidekick” -- using an alien-derived “gravity lens” to\ndevelop a particle beam weapon. And “Project Looking Glass” which explored the “physics of\nlooking back in time”.\n\nHe says the craft uses gravity as a lens and the power source is based on a matter/anti-matter reaction\nthat forces E-115 to transmute under proton bombardment and release anti-protons.\n\nTwo modes of travel for saucers at S4 : (1) When traveling around the surface of a planet, the\nvehicles balance on a gravity wave or ride a wave like a cork on the ocean. In this mode they appear\nunstable at times and can be affected by the weather. (2) For interstellar travel, they use gravity\ngenerators. But if they fly around the surface of Earth in his mode, they may “flip over”, a phenomenon\nthat Lazar says has frequently been observed in past sightings in the published UFO literature.\n\nTwo “gravities”: “A” & “B'. 'Gravity B' is the normal General Relativity gravity that we are all\nfamiliar with. 'Gravity A' is commonly called the ‘strong nuclear force' which holds the protons and\nneutrons together in the nucleus of any atom. It is one of the 4 basic forces in our Universe. Its effects\ngenerally cannot be measured beyond the perimeter of the nucleus. For some unknown reason, this\nforce in Element-115 extends beyond its nucleus whereby it can be “tapped” and amplified.\n\nThis 'Gravity A' “field” is out-of-phase and is like a wave generator. It is a longitudinal generation\nnot spherical, as a caller suggested.\n\n14. Project Aurora: Lazar says ‘Aurora' is not a UFO and is the replacement for the SR-71 spyplane. It\n    requires a 3-mile long runway and makes a sound like continuous explosions. It has speeds up to Mach-\n15. [SS: It is powered by liquid methane in its high-risk ramjet prototype engines.]\n\n16. No Alien Cattle mutilations? As far as HE knows, Lazar says, there is no alien UFO tie-in with\n    cattle mutilations.\n\n17. Few Abductees? More persons claim to be abductees than have actually been abducted, suggests\n    Lazar. [SS: Indeed, a growing consensus is that people have been kidnapped by covert agencies\n    and had mind-control used on them to implant false memories of being kidnapped by aliens. The\n    same thing was hypothesized for the famous Betty & Barney Hill abduction]\n\n18. No ‘Blue Diamond' Entry Way for Saucers: Notwithstanding UFO watchers congregating at 'Blue\n    Diamond', Lazar says there is only a gravity anomaly around ‘Blue Diamond' and not an “entryway”\n    for saucers into our Universe.\n\n19. Other Physics Comments by Lazar:\n\nTime Travel: GRAVITY affects time. Everyone knows that. Take an atomic clock to a high\naltitude, then bring it back and compare with one at sea level. The times will be off by a very\nsmall amount. Moving Forward in time “is a breeze”. All you need to do is get close to a\ngravitational field. Moving Back in time “might also be possible\" [SS: and was the object of\nresearch in S-4’s “Project Looking Glass”]\n\nMultiple Dimensions: “Some physicists today invoke superstring theories to simply add other\ndimensions to the Universe whenever they can't explain something.\"\n\nLaser Fusion: referring to laser fusion experiments as “stupid”, Lazar refers to a location where they\nhave been conducted.\n\nPlutonium: Lazar also speaks of a process of squeezing Plutonium.\n\nM-42: in response to a caller's question, Lazar says \"M-42\" is a galaxy.","readingTime":"13 min read"},"relatedRecords":[],"citation":{"canonicalUrl":"https://disclosdex.com/documents/1989-lazar-radio-interview-excerpts","title":"Happening Show, November 1989, Bob Lazar","publisher":"Disclosdex","retrievedFrom":"https://disclosdex.com/api/v1/documents/1989-lazar-radio-interview-excerpts","license":"CC-BY-4.0"}}